Rundle Connection: Mare / Mares Family of Berry Down and Manitoba

 

I’m in the process of going over all of my Rundle family info and filling in blank spaces. Many times these “blank spots” are for females, since unless you know for sure who they married, they are more difficult to pin down. In this case, I did have Rebecca Rundle’s husband’s name, but I had never pursued researching their children. Once I started doing this new research, I found this family to be very interesting! I’m sharing these new finds in hopes that I can connect with some of our Canadian “cousins”.

Rebecca married Thomas Mares of St. Neot and the family settled at Berry Down in St. Neot. In the Bronze Age Bodmin Moor was densely populated and the moor had many prehistoric settlements and associated field systems. High up on Berry Down our Iron Age forebears constructed and enclosed a hill-top settlement. Inside the enclosure are the remains of nine hut circles with another just outside the ramparts to the north. There are the remains of a further four circles on the western slope. The main hill fort has an annex and the entrance to the site is clearly visible.

The Mares/Mare family were farmers. The sons helped their father for many years. After his marriage, son, John, worked an enjoining farm in Berry Down. After the death of Thomas Mare Jr in 1888, John took over running the Berry Down Farm on his own.

John’s first wife was Grace Crapp of St. Neot. The couple never had any children, and Grace died in 1880 at the age of 67. In the 1881 Census, John was widowed and living at Berry Down. Three children of Grace’s brother, William, Eliza and Catherine Crapp, lived with John. William Crapp had lived with John and Grace in 1871 as well. In 1883 John married Eliza Crapp. She was 46 years younger than her husband. The couple went on to have four children.

Souris

Souris Manitoba 1910

John died at Berry Down in 1902. Eliza and the children remained in Berry Down for about 10 more years. John and Eliza’s oldest child, Rebecca Mare, had married William Hooper and had died giving birth to their son, William John Hooper. “John” as he was sometimes called, lived with his grandmother, Eliza Crapp Mare, in Berry Down. Between the years of 1911 and 1914, the remaining members of the Mare family immigrated to Manitoba, Canada. It seems as if William Mare may have gone to Canada first in 1911. He may have scouted out things and then went back to England to bring the rest of the family over. In 1914, Eliza, William, Rosina and John Hooper all traveled together to Canada, arriving in Quebec. Rosina married shortly after arriving in Canada. By 1916, the entire family was settled in Souris and Brandon, Manitoba, Canada.

Rosina and her husband, James Jago, went on to raise a large family in Manitoba. I haven’t been able to find records for marriages or descendants for John or William Mare. I do believe that William married a Hilda Bunt and had at least 4 children. If anyone has any info on these two individuals, I’d love to add the info to my database.

Generation One

1. Rebecca1 Rundle, b. 1786 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG, , , , (daughter of John Rundle [1765 – 1848] and Catherine Lancom [1763 – 1833]), baptized 12 Nov 1786 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG, ,1 d. Jan 1876 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG, resided in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG.1

Rebecca was married to Thomas Mares, on 31 Jan 1804 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG, b. 1781 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG,2 baptized 23 Jul 1782 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG,5 d. Oct 1853 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG,6 resided Berry Down in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG,1 occupation Farmer.1,2

Thomas was the son of John and Christian Mares.
Surname spelled “Mare” in some records.

In 1861 Rebecca was widowed and living with sons in St. Neot.
In 1871, Rebecca and oldest son, Thomas, lived in St. Neot.

Children:
i. Thomas2 Mares Jr, b. c. 1816 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,1,2,3,4, d. 20 Mar 1888 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG, , buried in St. Neot Cemetery, St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG,9 resided Berry Down in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG.3,4 Surname spelled “Mare” in some records.
In 1841 and 1851, Thomas was single and living with parents.

In 1861, he was listed as “head” of family. His widowed mother, brother, and sister in law lived with him in St. Neot.
In 1881 Thomas lived on his own.

Thomas left his estate to his brother, John.
2. ii. John (Mare) Mares b. 1816.

Generation Two

2. John (Mare)2 Mares (Rebecca1), b. 1816 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,1,3,4,8, , , baptized 31 Jan 1816 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,13 d. 1902 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,6 resided Berry Down in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,12 occupation Farmer.12

Surname sometimes spelled “Mare”. It seems like earlier records use the “Mares” spelling and the majority of later records for John and his children drop the “s”.
John’s wife lived with his parents in 1851. John was not with the family.
In 1861, John and Grace lived with his brother, Thomas and widowed mother at Berry Down.
In 1871, John and Grace were living in their own house at Berry Down. Nephew, William Crapp, age 12, living with them.
In 1881, John was widowed and living at Berry Down. He had nieces and nephew, Eliza Crapp, Catherine Crapp and William Crapp, living with him.
In 1883, John married his niece, Eliza Crapp, who was about 46 years younger than he was. They lived at Berry Down.

He was married to (1) Grace Crapp, on 27 Nov 1845 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England, , b. 1813 in St. Neot, Cornwall, ENG,1,2,3,4 baptized 7 Mar 1813 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,5 d. 25 Jul 1880 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England.6 Grace: She was the daughter of Matthew and Mary (Keast) Crapp of St. Neot.
In 1841, Grace, age 25, lived in St. Neot with widowed father, Matthew, age 79, and brothers Jonathan, 20, and Thomas, 15.
In 1851, Grace lived with in laws. John was not with the family.

Newspaper announcement of Grace’s death in 1880 lists her name as “Elizabeth”.

He was married to (2) Eliza Crapp, in 1883 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,14 b. 1860 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,3,8,11,12, baptized 26 Aug 1860 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,5 d. 1943 in Manitoba, Canada, ,9 buried in Sinclair, Manitoba, Canada.9 Eliza: Eliza was 44 years younger than John. She was niece of John’s first wife, Grace Crapp.
She was the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Crapp of St. Neot.
In 1861 and 1871, Eliza lived with her parents in St. Neot. In 1871, Eliza’s brother, William, age 12, lived with John Mares.
In 1881, Eliza was living with John and listed as “niece”. Three of Eliza’s siblings, William Crapp, age 22, and Catherine Crapp, age 9, were living there and listed as niece and nephew as well.
In 1911, Eliza’s mother, Elizabeth Crapp, age 76, and Eliza’s son, John, lived with Eliza’s brother, Robert, in St. Neot.
In 1914 Eliza, age 53, son William age 23, daughter Rosina, age 20, and a John Mare age 6, traveled to Quebec, Canada.
In 1916, Eliza, age 60, was living with son William in Souris, Manitoba, Canada.

BrandonManitoba

Brandon Manitoba

Children:
3. i. Rebecca3 Mare b. c. 1883.

ii. John Thomas Mare b. 1888 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,11,12,17, , ,9 d. 1965 in Manitoba, Canada,9 buried in Sinclair, Manitoba, Canada.9 In 1911, John lived with his mother’s brother, Robert Crapp, in St. Neot.
He eventually joined his mother and siblings in Manitoba, Canada
In 1916 John was living in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada. His married sister, Rosina Jago, and two of her children were listed with John.

Brandon, Manitoba 1908

Souris Manitoba 1908

iii. William George Mare b. 1890 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,11,12,16,5 baptized 1 Jan 1891 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,5 d. 1971 in Manitoba, Canada,9 buried in Sinclair, Manitoba, Canada,9 resided in Souris, Manitoba, Canada,16 occupation Farmer.16
William was born 3rd quarter 1890.
In 1914, William, sister, Rosina and mother, Eliza, traveled to Quebec, Canada
In 1916, William was listed as head of household in Souris, Manitoba, Canada. He is listed as originally coming to Canada in 1911. He may have come over, and then gone back to get the rest of the family.
Albert George Hooper, age 26, listed as “partner” is living with the family in 1816. Also William John Hooper, age 8, listed as “nephew”. Albert was actually William John’s uncle, the brother of his father, William Hooper.

William married Hilda Bunt (1896-21 mar 1966).
Based on partial obituary records, I believe that William and Hilda had children: Edna, Bill, John and Alice Marie.

4. iv. Rosina Grace Mare b. 26 Jun 1894.

Generation Three

3. Rebecca3 Mare (John2, Rebecca1), b. c. 1883 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,11,12 d. 1908 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England.6

She was married to William John Hooper, b. c. 1887 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England. William: In 1901 and then 1911, William was living with his parents. In 1911 he is listed as single, but was in fact, widowed.

Children:
i. William John4 Hooper Jr. b. c. 1908 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England.17
In 1911, William was living in St. Neot with his grandmother, Eliza Mare.
In 1914, he was listed as “John Mare”, instead of John Hooper, as he traveled to Canada with his grandmother, aunt and uncle.
In 1916, he was living in Manitoba with his grandmother, Eliza Rundle, Uncle William Mare and uncle, Albert George Hooper. Albert was the brother of John’s father.

Sinclair

Sinclair Manitoba 1910

4. Rosina Grace3 Mare (John2, Rebecca1), b. 26 Jun 1894 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,12, ,18, ,5,9 baptized 1 Jan 1895 in St. Neot, Cornwall, England,5 d. 27 Jun 1970 in Virden, Manitoba, Canada.9 Rosina was born 3rd quarter in 1894
In 1911, Rosina, age 16, was working as domestic servant in home of Thomas George in Bodmin, Cornwall.
In 1914, Rosina traveled to Quebec, Canada with mother, and siblings.
Rosina married James Jago shortly after arriving in Canada.
In 1916, Rosina and two of her children were listed with her brother, John, in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada.
In 1921 she was living with her husband and children in Souris, Manitoba, Canada.

Rosina was married to James Jago, on 6 Jun 1914 in Sinclair, Manitoba, Canada,9 b. 7 Nov 1894 in Cornwall, England,9,21 d. 17 Jun 1996 in Restin, Manitoba, Canada,9 occupation Farmer.21
James was probably the James, age 6, living in Cardinham in 1901. Parents were Earnest and Kate.
He had a brother Sidney as well, which matches son’s name.
In 1911 he was working as servant in Warleggon. Birthplace listed as “St. Cleer”.
James arrived in Canada in 1914.

Children:
i. Earnest John4 Jago b. 1914 in Manitoba, Canada,18,21 d. 1990.
ii. Lillian Ethel Jago b. 1916 in Manitoba, Canada,18 d. 2005 in Manitoba, Canada.
iii. William Henry Jago b. 11 Oct 1918 in Manitoba, Canada,21, d. 9 Jul 2009 in Virden, Manitoba, Canada.21,22

He was married to Ruth Francis, d. 21 Nov 2014.

iv. Edith Jago b. 1920 in Manitoba, Canada,21 d. 2003 in Manitoba, Canada.21
v. James Jago Jr b. 1921,9 d. 1999.9
vi. Lawrence Albert Jago b. 1924 in Manitoba, Canada,9 d. 2007 in Manitoba, Canada.9
vii. Kenneth Jago b. 1925,9 d. 2008.9
viii. Cecil Jago b. 1927 in Manitoba, Canada,21 d. 5 Jan 2015 in Manitoba, Canada.
ix. George Wilbert Jago.
x. Sidney Jago.

Sources

1)1841 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, Eng.
2) 1851 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, Eng.
3) 1861 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, Eng.
4)1871 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, Eng.
5)England Select Birth and Christenings 1538 – 1975.
6)England & Wales Death Registration Index: 1837-2007.
7)Parish Registers for St. Neot, Liskeard, Cornwall, Eng, Baptism to 1812;Baptisms 1813-1835; Baptisms 1836-1855; Burials and Marriages 1550 to 1900.St.Neot Parish Records; Church of England & Ireland; Bapt. 1549-1837. 1593-1600 Missing.
8)1881 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, Eng.
9)FindaGrave.com: Collection of Headstone Inscriptions and Photos.
10)England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941.
11)1891 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, Eng.
12)1901 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, Eng.
13)Cornwall Baptisms Transcriptions.
14)England & Wales Marriage Index 1837-2005.
15)Cornwall Marriages Transcriptions.
16)1916 Canada Census for Souris, Manitoba, Canada.
17)1911 UK Census for St. Neot, Cornwall, England.
18)1916 Canada Census for Brandon, Manitoba, Canada.
19)England & Wales Birth Index 1837- 2006.
20)1911 UK Census for Bodmin, Cornwall, England.
21)1921 Canada Census for Souris, Manitoba, Canada.
22)Obituary.

The Value in Checking Your Work: A Tale of Two Captains

Earliest Known View of Manchester, CT

Earliest Known View of Manchester, CT


I am going through the tedious process of going over past research and double checking my data. It’s not as “fun” as initial research since you are not usually finding “new” info, however, I have found over the past that it is necessary. I have almost always found errors in my original work.. some big, some small, but all important to the integrity of your genealogy research.

The line I’m working on now is my husband’s Pitkin family. Years ago, prior to the internet, I had borrowed a copy of The Pitkin Family in America, by A. P. Pitkin and copied as much info as I could while I had the book. I concentrated on my husband’s direct line. Now that the book is available online for download, I am going through the book page by page and matching up the info with my database. When I come upon a conflict, I double check other sources to see which is correct.

This week I came upon one such conflict. It involves the second husband of Anne Stanley who was the widow of Joshua Pitkin in East Hartford. A.P. Pitkin had her second husband’s name as “Daniel Marsh”. I had it in my database as “Capt. Isaac Marsh”. Checking the source for Isaac I saw that my info came from two books about the history of Marshfield, VT. In “The History of the Towns of Plainfield, Roxbury and Fayston … With Marshfield or Middlesex Papers in Fifty Copies “, it states that Caleb Pitkin, who had moved to Marshfield, VT, married Hannah, “daughter of Capt. Isaac Marsh”. In a “History of Marshfield” by Mrs. Hannah C. Pitkin, printed in the “Gazetteer of Washington County, VT” the author mentions that Caleb married “the daughter of “Captain Marsh, his step father” (No first name) and that Gideon Spencer, another founding resident of Marshfield, had married “Captain Marsh’s daughter, Polly”. Mrs. Pitkin also stated that Captain Isaac Marsh “married a young Pitkin widow from East Hartford, CT. Captain Isaac Marsh was the founder of Marshfield, VT after purchasing the deed to the land from Indians in the area. I had no reason to question that Hannah and Polly were his daughters, or that Anna Stanley Pitkin was the “young widow” that he married.

I did some research on Capt. Isaac Marsh who was “of Stockbridge, MA”. It turns out that he married Lucy Smith who was still living when Anna Stanley Pitkin Marsh died. I also found baptisms for all of Isaac and Lucy’s children and there is no Hannah or Polly. I cannot, in fact, find any record that Isaac Marsh actually lived in the town that bore his name.

I then looked in to “Daniel Marsh” of East Hartford, CT. As it turns out, although not listed as such in A. P. Pitkin’s book, Daniel was in fact also a “Captain”. Most of his records list him as “Captain Marsh”. Daniel had by his second wife,Hannah Smith, daughters named both Polly (Mary) and Hannah. Their ages matched the wives of Caleb Pitkin and Gideon Spencer.

I realized at that point that the historians of Marshfield, VT had just assumed that the father of Hannah and Polly Marsh, a “Capt. Marsh” must have been “Capt. Isaac Marsh”. They must have also then assumed that since Hannah Marsh Pitkin’s father was Caleb Pitkin’s step father.. Isaac must have married said widow. I understand that “family lore” can become distorted and details forgotten over the years, but this also teaches us a very important lesson about never “assuming” anything when doing genealogy research.

The one benefit of discovering this error and the correct relationships is that it gives me added incentive to continue the boring process of double checking my data!

Daniel Marsh ServiceIn doing my research on Daniel Marsh, I collected info on him and his four wives. With him being a “second husband” with whom Anna Stanley Pitkin did not have children, I normally wouldn’t have spent the time researching him. However, since he had a double connection by being father to Caleb Pitkin’s wife, I decided to do more research on him than I normally would. Daniel turned out to be an interesting fellow. He was a veteran of the Revolutionary War and a prominent member of the newly created “Orford Parish” in East Hartford, CT. Orford Parish later become Manchester, CT.

Download: Register Style report of 3 generations of Descendants of Daniel Marsh of East Hartford, CT.

A Surprise Connection to Frederick Law Olmsted

The grounds at The Biltmore Estate, April 2015

The grounds at The Biltmore Estate, April 2015

Bill and I are season pass holders for the Biltmore Estate in Asheville, NC. We love seeing

Frederick Law Olmsted

Painting that hangs at Biltmore House

the estate in different seasons and have always appreciated the wonderful grounds that were laid out by landscape architect, Frederick Law Olmsted Sr.

Bill had a special interest in Olmsted since he had read a book about the “Columbian Exposition” better known as the “Chicago World’s Fair” which was predominately designed by Frederick Law Olmsted and Daniel Burnham (of the “Ipswich, MA Burnhams” not the “Hartford, CT Burnhams” whom Bill is also descended from.). We were fascinated with the portrait of Frederick Law Olmsted hanging prominent in Biltmore House.

Recently I’ve been going over old Pitkin research I had done years ago. I’ve been double checking info and sources as well as filling in blank spots. You can understand my surprise that while working this week I found Frederick Law Olmsted’s membership application for the Sons of the American Revolution. On the application, I saw that Frederick Law Olmsted’s grandmother was Content Pitkin! I had the info on Content’s marriage to Benjamin Olmsted, however I had not carried the line out past their children. I couldn’t wait to tell Bill that he is related to Frederick Law Olmsted!

Ninety nine percent of the Pitkins in the US are all descended from William Pitkin who came to Hartford, CT from England and married Hannah Goodwin. Most people know of the line descended from William and Hannah’s son William J. Pitkin and his wife Elizabeth Stanley. Their son, William J. Pitkin was Governor of Connecticut. My husband and Olmsted are descendents of William and Hannah Goodwin’s son, Capt. Ozias Pitkin. Frederick’s grandmother, Constant Pitkin’s father was Ozias Pitkin Jr. Ozias Jr. was the son of Capt. Ozias Pitkin and his first wife, Elizabeth Green. Bill’s 4xGreat Grandfather was Daniel Pitkin, the half-brother of Ozias Jr. Daniel was the son of Capt. Ozias Pitkin and his second wife, Esther Burnham Cadwell.

And of course.. after learning about the connection.. look what Bill purchased this week!
Book

Below is a little on the family of Frederick Law Olmsted.

Generation One

1. Benjamin1 Olmstead, b. 12 Mar 1751 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT, , (son of Jonathan Olmstead [1706 – 1770] and Hannah Meakins [1717 – 1806]), d. 25 Dec 1832 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT,1,2 buried in Center Cem, East Hartford, Hartford, CT.1 Benjamin served in the Revolutionary War. Enlisted May, 1775, under Capt. George Pitkin, of Co J. Spencer’s regiment. The company marched to Roxbury, Mass., and was at the siege of Boston, until Dec 1775. He came home on furlough to be married.

He was married to Content Pitkin, on 2 Nov 1775 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT,1,2 b. 10 Aug 1752 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT, (daughter of Ozias Pitkin Jr. [1710 – 1761] and Theodosia “Dosia” Bull [ – 1788]), baptized 16 Aug 1752 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT, d. 12 Jul 1839 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT,2 buried in Center Cem, East Hartford, Hartford, CT.1

Children:
i. Elizabeth “Betsey”2 Olmstead, b. 11 Aug 1776 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT.3
ii. Frederick Olmstead, b. 7 Feb 1779 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT.3
iii. Theodosia Olmstead, b. 16 Apr 1782 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT.3
iv. Ezekial Olmstead, b. 20 Nov 1785 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT.3
2. v. John Olmstead b. 27 Sep 1791.
vi. Owen Pitkin Olmstead, b. 13 Apr 1794 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT,3 d. 1873 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT.1
vii. Maria “Marcia?” Olmstead, b. 20 mar 1798 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT.3

Generation Two

2. John2 Olmstead (Benjamin1), b. 27 Sep 1791 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT,1 d. 25 Jan 1873 in East Hartford, Hartford, CT,1 buried in Old North Cemetery , Hartford, Hartford, CT.1

He was married to Charlotte Law Hull, on 5 Jun 1821, , , b. 9 Sep 1800,1 d. 28 Feb 1826,1 buried in Old North Cemetery , Hartford, Hartford, CT.1 Charlotte: Daughter of Samuel and Abigail (Doolittle) Hull, of Cheshire , CT.; she was the adopted daughter of John Law, of Hartford, CT.

Children:
3. i. Frederick Law (Olmsted)3 Olmstead Sr. b. 26 Apr 1822.
4. ii. John Hull (Olmsted) Olmstead b. 2 Sep 1825.
iii. Mary (Olmsted) Olmstead b. 1832,1 d. 1875.1
iv. Owen (Olmsted) Olmstead b. 1836,1 d. 1838.1
v. Ada Theodosia (Olmsted) Olmstead b. 1839,1 d. 1846.1
vi. Albert Harry (Olmsted) Olmstead b. 1842,1 d. 1929.1

Generation Three

3. Frederick Law (Olmsted)3 Olmstead Sr. (John2, Benjamin1), b. 26 Apr 1822 in Hartford, Hartford, CT,5,6,7 d. 28 Aug 1903 in Brookline, Norfolk, MA,5,7 buried in Old North Cem, Hartford, Hartford, CT,1 occupation Landscape Architect.6 Mary Cleveland Perkins was married first to Frederick’s brother, John Hull Olmsted who died in 1857
I can’t find Frederick in many census years, but because of his occupation he traveled around a lot.
In 1859, Jun. 13 Married in Bogardus House, Central Park (by Mayor Tiemann) Mary Cleveland (Perkins) Olmsted, widow of his brother John Hull Olmsted, thus becoming step-father to her children: John Charles, Charlotte, and Owen. Moved later in the summer to the old convent building at Mt. St. Vincent in the Park.
In 1880 the family lived on 46th street in New York.
In 1900, Frederick was a patient in McLean Insane Hospital in Belmont, Middlesex, MA.

“Architect, Medical Pioneer. He is considered the foremost American landscape artist of the 19th Century, and was largely responsible for the creation and present formation of New York City, New York’s Central Park, of which he was Superintendent and chief architect. His landscape architectural work included Prospect Park in Brooklyn, Riverside Park in Manhattan, Chicago’s South Side Park, and the grounds of the United States Capitol building. In 1892 he took over the project of laying out the grounds of the 1893 World Fair in Chicago when its first architect died. Olmstead completed the grounds in time for the Fair, which is now known as Jackson Park. During the Civil War, he resigned his post of Central Park superintendent to accept the post of Secretary General of the United States Sanitary Commission. In that capacity, he helped facilitate the Commission’s work, which involved the distribution of tons of food and medical supplies to wounded soldiers and war refugees, evacuating wounded from battle areas, inspecting and maintaining standards in military hospitals, stocking and supplying hospital kitchens, and recruiting and maintaining thousands of nurses. The work he and the many workers under him saved thousands of soldiers’ lives. He headed the Commission until 1863, when the exertions of his service caused him ill health, and he was forced to resign. Despite all his architectural accomplishments, Frederick Law Olmstead considered his Sanitary Commission position work the most important work of his life.” (bio by: Russ Dodge on Findagrave.com).

He was married to Mary Cleveland Perkins, on 13 Jun 1859 in Bogardus House, Central Park, NY,1 b. 1830 in Erie, New York,1, ,6, d. 23 Apr 1921.1, Mary: Prior to marrying Frederick Law Olmsted, Mary was married to his brother, John Hull Olmsted on 16 Oct 1851 in Staten Island.
Marriage record states “Md. at residence of late Doct. Perkins, South side, in presence of many friends”

In 1855, John, Mary and children were living in Southfield, Richmond, NY.

In 1910 Mary and son, Frederick, lived in Brookline, MA.

Children:
i. John Theodore (Olmsted)4 Olmstead b. 1860,1 d. 1860.1
ii. Marion (Olmsted) Olmstead b. 1861 in New York,1,6 d. 1948.1
5. iii. Frederick Law (Olmsted) Olmstead Jr. b. 24 Jul 1870.

4. John Hull (Olmsted)3 Olmstead (John2, Benjamin1), b. 2 Sep 1825 in Hartford, Hartford, CT,1, ,8, d. 24 Nov 1857 in Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence-Alps-Côte d’Azur, France,1 occupation Farmer.8 He entered Yale in 1842, but after the opening of the Sophomore year, having trouble with both his eyes and lungs, he went to the West Indies for the winter, and on his return joined the next Class.

He spent the year after graduation in a water-cure establishment in New York, and on a farm on Staten Island, and then began the study of medicine in New York. After various interruptions on account of his health, his medical studies were nearly completed in 1851, and he was married, in the same summer, to Mary Perkins, of Staten Island.

He received the degree of M.D. in 1852 from the College of Physicians and Surgeons. He did not, however, engage in practice, but spent most of his time in literary pursuits. While in Europe for his health, he died in Nice, France, on November 24, 1857, in his 33d year. He left two sons and a daughter. His widow next married his elder brother, Frederick Law Olmsted, LL.D. (Yale 1893), the distinguished landscape-architect.

In 1855, John, Mary and children were living in Southfield, Richmond, NY.

He was married to Mary Cleveland Perkins, on 16 Oct 1851 in Staten Island, NY,1 b. 1830 in Erie, New York,1,8,6,9 d. 23 Apr 1921.1,10 Mary: Prior to marrying Frederick Law Olmsted, Mary was married to his brother, John Hull Olmsted on 16 Oct 1851 in Staten Island.
Marriage record states “Md. at residence of late Doct. Perkins, South side, in presence of many friends”

In 1855, John, Mary and children were living in Southfield, Richmond, NY.

In 1910 Mary and son, Frederick, lived in Brookline, MA.

Children:
6. i. John Charles “Charles” (Olmsted)4 Olmstead b. 14 Sep 1851.
ii. Charlotte (Olmsted) Olmstead b. c. 1854 in Richmond, NY.8
iii. Owen (Olmsted) Olmstead.

Generation Four

5. Frederick Law (Olmsted)4 Olmstead Jr. (Frederick3, John2, Benjamin1), b. 24 Jul 1870 in Staten Island, NY,6,9, , , ,11, d. 25 Dec 1957 in Los Angeles, CA,16 resided in Brookline, MA.13 Graduated Harvard in 1894. Studied landscape architecture under his father. Began practice as landscape architect 1895. Worked with his father on design of Metropolitan Park System of Boston, Biltmore Estate.

In 1910 Frederick lived in Brookline, MA with his widowed Mother.
In 1920, Frederick and Sarah lived in Brookline.
In 1930 they lived in Lomita, Los Angeles, CA. I assume that they had a second home or were visiting, since they were listed in Brookline, MA City Directories in 1929 and in 1931.
In 1940 Frederick and Sarah were “lodging” with Kingsbury and Sophie Brown, in Brookline, MA.

He was married to Sarah Hall Sharples, b. c. 1873 in Massachusetts.13,14,15 Sarah: In 1930, Sarah’s brother, William, lived with Sarah and Frederick in Los Angeles, CA.

Children:
i. Charlotte (Olmsted)5 Olmstead b. c. 1913 in Massachusetts.13,14

6. John Charles “Charles” (Olmsted)4 Olmstead (John3, John2, Benjamin1), b. 14 Sep 1851 in Geneva, Switzerland,6,8, d. 24 Feb 1920 in Brookline, MA,17 occupation Landscape Architect.6,17 John C. Olmsted was educated at home and also attended the Eagleswood Military Academy in New Jersey and the Cherbeliez schools in New York City and New Rochelle, N. Y. Before entering Yale in 1872, he spent a year on work in connection with the Fortieth Parallel Survey in the Rocky Mountains. He took the select course in the Scientific School.

Immediately after his graduation from Yale he began practice in association with his stepfather, being admitted to partial partnership in 1878 and to full partnership in 1884. In the winter of 1877-78, and again in 1894, he spent several months in Europe, where he engaged in research work and accumulated much material in connection with his profession. During the first twenty years of his professional life, he worked in the closest association with his stepfather, and during ten years of that period elaborated most of the details of design and in other cases carried out the full plans of construction.

His death, which was due to pneumonia, occurred February
24, 1920, at his home in Brookline.

He was married to Sophia Buckland, on 18 Jan 1899 in Brookline, MA. Sophia: daughter of Francis Adams and Caroline (Barrett) White.

Children:
i. Carolyn (Olmsted)5 Olmstead.
ii. Margaret (Olmsted) Olmstead.

Sources:
1 FindaGrave.com: Collection of Headstone Inscriptions and Photos.
2 Connecticut Deaths and Burials 1650-1934.
2 The Pitkin Family in America; by A. P. Pitkin; 1887
4 Connecticut Church Record Abstracts 1630-1920.
5 George Kemp Ward, Genealogy of the Olmsted Family in America, A.T. De La Mare Print. and Publishing Company, 1912.
6 1880 US Census for New York, New York.
7 Massachusetts Death Records 1841-1915.
8 1855 NY State Census.
9 1910 US Census for Various Locations.
10 Frederick Law Olmsted, Landscape Architect, 1822-1903.
11 US Passport Applications 1795-1925.
12 Biographical Notices of Graduates of Yale College : Including Those Graduated in Classes Later Than 1815, Who Are Not Co.
13 1920 US Census for Various Locations.
14 1930 US Census for Various Locations.
15 1940 US Census for Various Locations.
16 California Death Index: 1940-1997.
17 Obituary Record of Yale Graduates, 1915-1920.

Proving “Assumptions” – Sometimes the Most Difficult Part of Research

I am still in the process of tying up loose ends and breaking down brick walls as I finish up a book on one of my families. Yesterday I was able to prove an assumption about a certain couple through the use of various sources. I get frustrated with what I call “lazy genealogists” who may find an individual in one record or census and don’t double check against other sources to make sure that their assumptions are true. It’s too easy to grab on to a find and say, “Oh, here is so and so and she’s a widow so her husband is dead!”. Wrong! For instance, I have found many women listed as “widows” in different census records. One of two assumptions can be made from this. If you already know that the woman was married, you may assume that the husband is dead. If you don’t have a marriage record for that woman, you may assume that she had been married and was now widowed. These two assumptions are not always true. You must check other sources to make sure that your assumptions are true.

In the first case, assuming that a new husband is deceased, the most direct thing to search for is for a definite death record. This isn’t always easy if the individual has a common name, as most of my ancestors seem to have!! The next thing to do, if you can’t find a definite death record, is to see if you can find the husband listed in the census for the same year. I have had more than one instance where I have found a wife listed as “widow” and then found the husband living elsewhere, sometimes with a second family! My last post on this site details one such instance. In another family, the “widow” had immigrated to the US with her son and the “husband” (luckily with a unique name) was still living in Cornwall with a second “wife” and two children. As is usually the case with these second “wives”, I couldn’t find a marriage for either couple. It seems that in 19th Century England, where divorce was not common, an individual would often start a second family and live as husband and wife even though they never married.

The second situation I mentioned, involves a woman listed as widow, but you never found a first marriage. I have found two different reasons for this, and neither involved a “deceased first husband”. In the last post on this site, I outlined a family where the couple separated, the husband started a second family, and the wife moved to a different county and set herself up as a “widow”. In other instances, I have found women who have had illegitimate children and were then listed in the Census as a “widow”. It’s hard to know for sure if they actually presented themselves as widows, especially when living in their home town or if the census taker was guilty of making assumptions himself!

Jane Kiff Assault

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These situations above all show why you can’t make an assumption based on one source. I ran in to another such assumption this week. Years ago when researching a Jane Kiff who “married” a George Rook / Rock, I was never able to find a marriage for the couple. While they were both from the same town in Devon, England, they showed up in 1871 Census in Wales with a 6 year old child. In Devon George always used the “Rook” spelling of his surname. In Wales it was always spelled “Rock”. The family remained in Wales and had many more children.

The fact that I never found a marriage record led me to wonder if George Rook had a first wife who was not deceased and who he didn’t divorce. I never really investigated until I was doing the work on my Kieft book. The first thing I checked was for a marriage for George Rook to someone other than Jane Kiff. Sure enough, a record for a marriage to a Mary Jane Norman in 1854 in Combe Martin. I then found the couple in the 1861 Census in Combe Martin. George’s age and birthplace matched with the George Rook who “married” Jane Kiff. There was still the possibility that Mary Jane was deceased by the time George and Jane hooked up. I continued my search and came across two newspaper articles that sealed the deal on my assumptions being true.

The first notice in early 1865 was Mary Jane noting that she would not be responsible for the debts of her husband George Rook from whom she was separated. So we now have proof that they were in fact separated. The next article was a court report where Jane Kiff accused Mary Jane Rook of assault. Jane claimed that Mary Jane showed up at Jane’s house and demanded that Jane “turn out my man” who was said to be Mary Jane’s husband whom she was separated from. Jane said that before she could answer, Mary Jane assaulted her. The charges were dismissed because the judge said that Jane should not have been “harboring” another woman’s husband. We now not only have proof of the separation, but we now can definitely connect the George Rook who married Mary Jane Norman with the man who later was living with Jane Kiff in Wales. I did a little further checking and found George’s first wife, Mary Jane, stayed in Combe Martin. In 1881 she was boarding with Thomas Darch in Combe Martin and in 1901 Mary Jane, still in Combe Martin, is listed as a “widow”.

The lesson learned here is to never make assumptions based on one source and then use it as a “fact” in your genealogy research. Use a combination of vital records, church records, census and newspaper articles to either prove or disprove your assumption before stating it as fact. Don’t be a “lazy genealogist”.

Kift / Kiff Corrections: A Tale of Two Williams and Why NOT to Make Assumptions

As many of you know, I’m deep in to double checking all of my Kieft ( Kift, Kiff, Kiffte et al ) research before putting together a family history book. During this process I’m finding some new info and resources that were not available the first time I did the bulk of my research on this family. This has lead to a few corrections. With so many Kiefts ..with the same first names, living in the same areas, it has been very confusing.

One of these corrections concerns two Williams and their wives. The key to figuring out my error involves the fact that one was born in Lynton and the other in Marwood/East Down. It also serves a good lesson in NOT making “assumptions” when doing genealogy research. I’m usually very careful about looking for facts to back up assumptions..and I failed in this one.

I originally had the wife for William Kiff b. Marwood, East Down .. as Mary Rottenbury (Rattenbury?). I realize now that one of the reasons that I assumed that the Marwood/East Down William was the husband of Mary Rottenbury was because in 1891 William and Mary Rottenbury lived in Arlington next door to Jeremiah Kiff, who is brother to the William born in Marwood/East Down.. both sons of William and Grace Coats Kiff.

Westacott Kiff

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The key to unlocking the mix up was with the birthplaces and birth years. The William born in Marwood was born c. 1858 and the William born in Lynton was born c. 1860. The William living in Arlington in 1891 had birth date of 1860 and birthplace of Lynton. Even though Jerimiah had the correct birthplace of Marwood.. I assumed that the census taker, or the person giving the info had made an error and this was in fact the William born in Marwood.

Looking back on everything, I realize that it is a coincidence that they lived next door to each other..they are not brothers. Jeremiah’s brother was living in Pilton that year.

I originally didn’t have a wife for William b. Lynton..because the marriage for a William Kiff and Mary Jane Westacott in 1880 was too early.. William was in Lynton with his parents in 1881. Now, with a switch of wives, the wedding dates make more sense.

I took all of the data on the two Williams that I found.. and compared birthplaces and birth years and have decided that the new info is correct. The William that was born in Marwood/East Down was born in 1858 ..and all of the records for him match that birth year. The other William, born in Lynton.. was born in 1861 and his records match that birth year. Also.. the Lynton William had children baptized in Lynton ..and in one of the records William and Mary’s residence is listed as Ilcherton (sp?) ..which is where William from Lynton’s parents lived.

Here is the updated data ( although I’ve found a bit more on the children since I ran these reports) .. with the correct wives with each William.

An interesting side note concerns William and Mary Jane Westacott. I found newspaper articles that made it clear that this couple had some major problems and at one point, in late 1880s, William announced that he was no longer responsible for debts incurred by Mary Jane. That coupled with the fact that he and his wife were not living together in 1891 indicates that they had separated. Other data points to the fact that they each took up with other partners..but I do not think they ever re-married. I think they just acted like married couples with the second partners. I have found no marriages for either William and his second “common law” wife, Bessie, nor can I find a record for a marriage between Mary Jane and a “Mr. Andrews”.

Below is the newly updated info for the “two Williams”. You will notice that one seemed to use the “Kiff” spelling and the other used the “Kift” spelling.

William of Marwood
Generation One

1. William (Kiff)1 Kieft, b. c. 1858 in Marwood, Devon, England,,,,, (son of William (Kiff) Kieft [1827 – 1913] and Grace Coats [1827 – 1909]), resided in Pilton, Devon, England, occupation Miller’s Assistant; carman d. Dec 1927 in Barnstaple, Devon, England. At time of marriage his residence was listed as “Bradiford Pilton”.
Pilton Devon In 1881 William and Mary Jane lived in Pilton. William was “Miller’s assistant”. The Miller lived next door.
In 1891 William is living in Pilton, working as Miller’s assistant. Listed as “married” however, Mary Jane is not with him. I can’t find Mary Jane anywhere in 1891.
In 1901 William and second wife, Bessie were living in Ilfracombe. Mary Jane is living in Parkstone, Dorset under surname Andrews. She is listed as “widow”. I cannot find second marriage records for either Mary Jane or William. It is possible that they separated, lived with other partners, but never actually married again.

In 1901 and 1911 William’s birthplace is listed as East Down. The switch from a Marwood birthplace to East Down is not too implausible since William’s family moved from Marwood to East Down shortly after his birth. It’s possible that the person giving the info considered him to be “from East Down” based on where they knew his family to be living.
In 1911 William was working as carman for the railway.

Death record lists birth year as c. 1857.

William was married on 12 Sep 1880 in Tiverton, Devon, England, to (1) Mary Jane Westacott, b. c. 1862 in Tawstock, Devon, England.,

Notes for Mary Jane: At time of marriage Mary Jane’s residence was same as place of wedding, the parish of Hockworthy, SS Simon & Jude
In 1871, Mary Jane, age 8, lived with her grandparents , George and Rebecca Beer in Tawstock. Her widowed mother, Mary Ann Beer Westacott, was living in Bishops Tawton with Mary Jane’s sisters, Ellen, Eliza and Emma . Mary Jane’s father, Charles, had died in 1868.
In 1881 Mary Jane and husband William were living in Pilton. Mary Jane’s mother was living with her second husband, John Luxton, and her other three daughters in Pilton as well.
In 1891 William is still in Pilton, listed as married, but Mary Jane is not with him.
I can’t find Mary Jane in 1891. Her mother was living with her parents in Tawstock along with a “grandson” Charly Westacott, age 3. He must be the son of one of Mary Jane’s sisters.
In 1901 I find William with a second wife, Bessie, living in Ilfracombe. Mary Jane is listed with surname “Andrews” and she is listed as widow living in Parkstone, Dorset. Her mother, Mary A Luxton (she remarried), 58, was living with her. I can’t find Mary Jane in 1911. Her mother is boarding in Poole, Dorset.
I can’t find a marriage for Mary Jane and a Mr. Andrews.

William was presumably married or started living with (2) Bessie (maiden name unknown) (Kiff) Kieft, c. 1899 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England. Bessie was born c. 1871 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England, occupation Laundress. In 1911 Bessie is listed as having given birth to 5 children with 3 living.

Children:
2. i. William Edward (Kiff) Kieft b. 1901.
3. ii. Daisy Winifred (Kiff) Kieft b. 1902.
4. iii. Ivy Mary (Kiff) Kieft b. c. 1903.

Generation Two

2. William Edward (Kiff) Kieft (William1), b. 1901 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England.

3. Daisy Winifred (Kiff) Kieft (William1), b. 1902 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England.

She was married in 1936 in Totnes, Devon, England, to William G. Mould.

4. Ivy Mary (Kiff) Kieft (William1), b. c. 1903 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England.
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William of Lynton

Generation One

1. William (Kift)1 Kieft, b. 1861 in Lynton, Devon, England,, (son of Thomas (Kift) Kieft [1814 – 1889] and Maria Crocombe [1822 – 1897]), baptized 1 Sep 1861 in Lynton, Devon, England.

In 1881 William was 21, farm servant, living with his parents in Lynton. That same census year there is another William Kiff, b. 1861, Lynton working as agricultural laborer in Countisbury. I wonder if this is the same William, counted twice in the same census.
He and Mary were married in 1882
Daughter, Anna Maria Kift’s, bp 15 Apr 1888 in Lynton lists parents as William and Mary of “B. Mill”, Lynton
In 1901 the family lived in Goodleigh, Devon.
In 1911, William, Mary and three youngest children lived in Bratton Fleming.

There are two possible death records for William: both born c. 1860 d. 1928 or d. 1950 in Barnstaple.

William was married in 1882 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, to Mary Rottenbury, b. c. 1863 in Martinhoe, Devon, England.
In 1911 Mary is listed as having given birth to 9 children with 7 living. William’s brother James married a Mary Jane Rottenbury, however, they are not sisters. Both born Martinhoe, so perhaps, cousins.

Children:
2. i. Emily Mary2 Kieft b. c. 1883.
3. ii. Martha Kieft b. c. 1885.
4. iii. Annie Maria Kieft b. 1888.
5. iv. Elizabeth Ann Kieft b. c. 1890.
6. v. Eva Kiff b. c. 1896.
7. vi. Nellie (Kiff) Kieft b. c. 1903.
8. vii. John (Kiff) Kieft b. c. 1905.

Generation Two

2. Emily Mary2 Kieft (William1), b. c. 1883 in Lynton, Devon, England, d. c. 1904 in Barnstaple, Devon, England.

3. Martha2 Kieft (William1), b. c. 1885 in Lynton, Devon, England.

4. Annie Maria2 Kieft (William1), b. 1888 in Lynton, Devon, England, baptized 15 Apr 1888 in Lynton, Devon, England.

5. Elizabeth Ann2 Kieft (William1), b. c. 1890 in East Down, Devon, England.

6. Eva2 Kiff (William1), b. c. 1896 in Bratton, Devon, England. In 1901 Census, her name looks like “Na”.

7. Nellie (Kiff)2 Kieft (William1), b. c. 1903 in Weave Gifford, Bideford, Devon, England.

8. John (Kiff)2 Kieft (William1), b. c. 1905 in Weave Gifford, Bideford, Devon, England.

New Discoveries: Joanna Crocombe Kift and Richard German

Ilfracombe,_Devon,_England,_1890s I am working on tying up the loose ends on my Kieft family research in order to put a book together. In doing so, I have found some new information that was not available when I first started looking in to this family. I decided to share the new family connections that I’ve found.

Photo Left: Ilfracombe, Devon, England

The first new family that I found is that of Joanna Crocombe Kift. I had not been able to find a marriage for her when I was first doing my research. This time I found her marriage, children and grandchildren. Below is the register style report for Joanna’s family. It will be included in the book, however I am not going to update the Kieft page on this site. If you are related to these individuals, please feel free to contact me for more information.

The family of Joanna Crocombe Kift and Richard German:

Photo Right: Lynton, Devon, England Lynton

1. Joanna Crocombe (Kift) Kieft, b. 1846 in Lynton, Devon, England,,,,,,, (daughter of Thomas (Kift) Kieft [1814 – 1889] and Maria Crocombe [1822 – 1897]), baptized 1 Jan 1846 in Lynton, Devon, England, d. 1913 in Barnstaple, Devon, England. In 1861, Joanna was age 14, servant in the home of Geroge Crocombe in Brendon, Devon. He could be a relative of her mother.
In 1881 Joanna and family lived in Berrynarbor.
In 1911, Joanna was widowed and back in Lynton, Devon, living with her brother, John Kift. Joanna is listed as having given birth to four children. Joanna’s granddaughter, Laura Doris White, age 4, lived with them.

She was married in 1874 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, to Richard German, b. c. 1847 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England, d. 1909 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, occupation Shoe maker, Letter Carrier. Richard: In 1871, Richard lived with his widowed mother, Elizabeth, and brother Edward in Ilfracombe.
In 1881 and 1891, Richard, Joanna and children lived in Berrynarbor. Richard was a “letter carrier”, rural postman
In 1901 they lived in Ilfracombe. Richard was a “Postman”.

Children:
2. i. Annie Rosina German b. Oct 1874.
3. ii. Lily Mary German b. Jan 1879.
4. iii. Bertie Thomas “Tom” German b. Apr 1885.
5. iv. Olive M. German b. c. 1893.

Generation Two

2. Annie Rosina German (Joanna1), b. Oct 1874 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England,2,3,, d. Dec 1935 in Barnstaple, Devon, England.8 In 1891 Annie, age 16, lived with her parents. She was not with the family in 1901.
There was a “Rose” German, age 26, working as a servant in Ilfracombe. Could be her.

She was married on Oct 1904 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, to Alfred Eales White, b. c. 1874 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England,11 d. Mar 1944 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, resided in Ilfracombe, Devon, England,11 occupation Butcher’s Assistant.11 Alfred: In 1911, Alfred and Annie and son, Gordon, lived in Ilfracombe. Daughter Laura was living in Lynton with Annie’s mother.

Children:
6. i. Laura Doris3 White b. c. 1907.
7. ii. Gordon Poole White b. Apr 1909.

3. Lily Mary German (Joanna1), b. Jan 1879 in Berrynarbor, Devon, England, d. Mar 1962 in Tiverton, Devon, England,8 occupation Dressmaker, resided in Ilfracombe, Devon, England.4 In 1901 Lily was age 21, single and living with parents in Ilfracombe.
In 1911, Lily and William lived in Ilfracombe. Lily’s sister, Olive, was living with them.
Lily was listed as having given birth to one child, Kathleen.

She was married on Apr 1904 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, to William James Bradbeer, b. 1879 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England, d. Mar 1954 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, occupation Gardener. William: In 1881 William’s mother is listed as Fanny. In later years it is “Jane”. Jane could be a step mother.
1901 William, 22, was single and living with parents, Robert and Jane Bradbeer, in Ilfracombe. William and father were both working as gardeners.

Children:
8. i. Kathleen3 Bradbeer b. c. 1906.

4. Bertie Thomas “Tom” German (Joanna1), b. Apr 1885 in Berrynarbor, Devon, England, occupation Blacksmith, resided in Ilfracombe, Devon, England.11 Birth, marriage and death registrations list name as “Bertie Thomas”
In 1891 he was listed as “Bertie T.”
In 1901 he was listed as Thomas.
In 1911 “Tom” and wife lived in Ilfracombe.

He was married in 1911 in Barnstaple, Devon, England,11,9 to Elizabeth Scott, b. Apr 1891 in Combe Martin, Devon, England., Elizabeth: In 1901 Elizabeth, age 10, lived with parents John and Mary Scott in Coombe Martin.

Children:
9. i. Ivor Scott3 German b. 22 Mar 1911.

5. Olive M. German (Joanna1), b. c. 1893 in Berrynarbor, Devon, England, d. Mar 1965 in Barnstaple, Devon, England. In 1911 Olive was living with sister, Lily, and her family in Ilfracombe.

She was married on Oct 1915 in Barnstaple, Devon, England, to Alfred G. Manley, b. 2 Aug 1892, d. Jun 1975 in Barnstaple, Devon, England.

Generation Three

6. Laura Doris White (Annie2, Joanna1), b. c. 1907 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England. In 1911, Laura lived in Lynton with her maternal grandmother, Joanna Kift German, and Joanna’s brother, John Kift.

7. Gordon Poole White (Annie2, Joanna1), b. Apr 1909 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England.

8. Kathleen Bradbeer (Lily2, Joanna1), b. c. 1906.11 Birthplace is blurry on census, but was probably Ilfracombe.

9. Ivor Scott German (Bertie2, Joanna1), b. 22 Mar 1911 in Ilfracombe, Devon, England, d. Jun 1981 in Exeter, Devon, England. At time of 1911 Census, Ivor was less than one month old.

He was married on Dec 1961 in Exeter, Devon, England,9 to Florence V. Hitchcock.